Okay, I obviously received this before I shut down anon commenting, and while I said I wouldn’t comment anymore about this, I HAVE to tackle the Carey Price issue because there is a lot of misinformation spread around fandom about his treatment by people who weren’t actually following the situation when it occurred, and it really bothers me.
First off, other facts: I never mentioned Evander Kane because I find his treatment by Winnipeg media to be INSANELY troubling. But I guarantee half of Canada would not be able to tell you what race Jarome Iginla is, or mix of races. Guarantee. Also, Iggy is pretty much Canada’s linking force in hockey, I have never met a single person who has had anything bad to say about him, not Oilers fans, not Canucks fans, not Flames fans after he left. I have also rarely seen his race discussed, and if it is it’s in his background information, along with where he grew up, etc.
Carey Price had about five drinking photos leaked, not one, along with multiple photos of him smoking cigarettes, which got WAY more negative attention. This situation came about directly after the Habs traded Jaroslav Halak, who had a miraculous playoff run that took the 8th seed Habs to the Eastern conference final, knocking out the almost invincible newly crowned Pens and the Capitals at their very best. They were selling stop signs with ‘HALAK’ written on them, and people were getting arrested for defacing actual Montreal stop signs with ‘HALAK’ covering the ‘ARRET’. A lot of people were extremely upset about the trade, and with the fact that Price, who was young and fairly untested, was going to be the default goalie. This is the context that those pictures came into, when people were already upset.
I was following this situation closely at the time, because I was pretty upset about the Halak trade myself (it looks better in hindsight than it did at the time, at the time it looked disastrous), and I did not see ONE article linking Price’s drinking and smoking with his heritage. Not one. What I saw were a lot of accusations of being a frat boy, and not being serious about being an athlete, think comments more along the line of what Patrick Kane received following Madison.
Now, someone may have found exceptions, but that was NOT the discourse at the time, and I am really sick of hearing that it was from people who are only looking at the situation in hindsight, because it’s really easy to find things to support a narrative if you’re looking for them. It is incredibly easy to find examples of the Montreal media actually being racist, depressingly so, so I am bothered by the fact that one of the key examples cited when demonizing the Habs organization (and they are demonized in fandom, with a LOT of Francophone bashing that I find really upsetting, as someone who bashes Quebec out of love) is not based in truth.
Also, those I know who don’t closely follow hockey media have, without exception, expressed surprise when told Carey is not white, which is the very definition of ‘passing’, and is why I used him as an example.Here are the top three results for ‘carey price native drinking’ by the way, two of which are contemporary to the scandal, and one that’s a look back. Google automatically struck out ‘native’ and all three of these are a renunciation of Montreal media calling Price a ‘party boy’, though one is a little closer to the general press he was receiving at the time. There is zero mention of race at any time, just his relative youth.
Has it ever crossed your mind that the reason you’ve never seen race discussed wrt to Iginla is because talking about racism is uncomfortable? White people who are not into social justice hardly bring it upon themselves to start that discussion and most POC are hesitant to talk to whites about it because hey, they might get this dismissive attitude you’re displaying here. I don’t know if you meaningfully interact with non-whites, but if the way you’ve been replying to these comments is any indication, they most likely realize it’s not worth the effort. All you’ve done here is talk down to people who have had personal experiences with racism, of which you have zero. So yeah, if all you do is hand-wave race/racism, it’s not shocking that discussions on that have escaped you. We generally like to feel safe when talking about racial discrimination and having a white person justify anything with denials, statistics and personal anecdotes does not make us feel safe.
I’ve followed Iginla, Scott Gomez, and Paul Kariya since I was a kid, practically their whole careers. Why? Because they are players of color and seeing them has brought me pride and a sense of belonging in a mostly white hockey world. And I have had extensive conversations with my brown and black friends and family about their races. You making an attempt at discounting Iginla’s obvious mixed race status is gross and insulting. If most Canadian’s are ignorant to this, that’s a big fucking problem and it’s a big fucking problem for you to bring that out as evidence of anything. Let’s for one minute live in the real world, in which Canada is not actually the anti-racist, multicultural place that people like to tout because people (and loved hockey players like Iginla) are indeed derided on for their race/ethnicity. Yeah, even in Edmonton, Vancouver, and Calgary.
Your language and rhetoric throughout this whole kerfuffle has been gross and racist and you have done a mighty job at continuing to other non-whites. I don’t get why you feel the need to fundamentally change your world to include a player of color when you did no such thing to include gay/bi players. Who exactly is asking you to populate your league with POC? You talk a lot about demographics but seem to be having a hard time realize that small does not equal nonexistent. POC are people, not some difficult enigma that you have to figure out to write. There is not one thing is stopping you from doing that except your personal preferences.
(I’m not touching the Price discussion because I don’t know enough about him to fully engage on that.)
Writing meta about a narrative that’s as much of a mess as Teen Wolf feels like a losing proposition, mostly. But I’m watching this Scott vs. Derek debate and it all seems so beside the point that I had to say something (that I’m sure someone else has said, and better, someplace I haven’t seen; links welcome.)
What I find disturbing about what Deaton said to Scott about becoming an alpha is the idea that Scott will be a better werewolf than anyone who was born a werewolf, and the implication that he will lead werewolf society to a better place. This idea—the “you make a better native than the natives, sahib”—is gross and colonialist. It was gross and colonialist in Dances with Wolves, it was gross and colonialist in Avatar, and it’s gross and colonialist here. (And racist, because colonialism is usually pulling on racism, but more specifically, colonialist.) That Deaton delivered his speech with not a small amount of messianic zeal just makes it all that more unsettling.
It doesn’t matter if Scott is a great leader and deserves it; it doesn’t matter if Derek is a terrible leader and doesn’t. The essential problem with the constant comparisons that the narrative leads us to make between Scott and Derek is that they are in many ways incomparable. Basically I reject the comparison out of hand because it’s unfair to both characters, and because the only reason it seems to make sense is because it’s what the narrative wants us to do. There was a great bit of meta that went around a few months ago about Scott and Derek symbolizing contrasting ideas of masculinity, and as this goes on I begin to believe more and more that Derek only exists in the Teen Wolf narrative to be the Goofus to Scott’s Gallant.
I’ll be sad if the fandom continues into this chasm of Derek people on one side and Scott folks on the other; I’m mystified by the smug self-satisfaction on both sides of the argument. As is often true with things like this, you can have both. You can both think that Scott is a better alpha than Derek and be skeeved out by this storyline; you can both think that Derek is very badly served by the narrative and wish he would get his shit together and learn something. I’m not seeing that there’s a good side to choose here, and I hope that fandom doesn’t decide that everyone has to pick one or gtfo; that would be troubling, too.
This is the kind of thoughtless, colorblind, and tone-deaf bullshit that makes fandom unbearable sometimes. Fortunately there’s some excellent rebuttals in the notes.
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